I had 50 conversations like this:
Him: You’re a rape apologist!
Me: Dude, I’m a person. I’m a human standing right here. This is me.
Him: Fucking MRA rapist!
Me: I’m a person in front of you, standing here. Are you really telling me I’m a rapist??
Him: Your website supports rape! So you do, too!.
Me: I write for AVFM, and nobody there supports rape. You’re accusing a real person (me) of a violent crime?
At this point – his brain made a “click” noise. I’m sure I heard it. CLICK!.
And he indexed to the next accusation, just as if his rape-apologist narrative had never happened.
Him: You’re a privileged, sexist, sick and twisted cis-gendered privileged white male and you should be put down! (yes, he really said that)
Me: What on earth makes you think I’m “cis gendered”?
I hear his brain go CLICK again, as the next accusation indexes into place.
Him: Well you’re a sick, privileged white overlord scum!
Me: Why must you reduce me to a racial stereotype, can’t I just be human?
Him: You’re a hatemonger racist!.. (I cut him off here).
Me: Nope, we’re going back one. You called me white scum. What does my ethnicity have to do with anything? I don’t care what colour you are. It’s a trivial detail.
Him: How dare you disregard something so fundamental to my identity!
And on it went. He accused me of every egregious category of bigotry he could think of. Each time I demonstrated the illogic and simple falsehood of each accusation, like a talking doll with a pull-string in the back of his neck, he indexed to the next attack, with seemingly no awareness of what he’d said seconds earlier. One argument of this pattern would be surreal. I had over 50 conversations of this shape, each with different individuals. Some of the accusations even circled around to repetitions of themselves.
You know how I’ve compared some feminists to conspiracy theorists? This is an excellent example of the similarities. CTs, when they get proven wrong, just keep moving swiftly on to the next point without ever admitting their last one was wrong. Sometimes they suddenly declare that their previous point wasn’t really important, that the current one is the real kicker. Some of them have been making the same incorrect assertions for years, in the same threads, after being proven wrong dozens of times. They are literally incapable of comprehending or accepting anything that doesn’t back up their dogma.
And, seriously, a death threat? Where did that chucklehead think he was, tumblr? Notice how nothing past “your website supports rape” had to do with anything AVFM or MRAs actually say, and were just personal attacks. The death threat is especially hypocritical in light of the unsubstantiated claims that MRAs were making death threats against the previous protestors, and these protestors were obscuring their identity in order to avoid that.
And yes, they pulled the fire alarm. Again.
When, after the fire alarm was sorted out, we returned to the lecture hall to proceed with the presentation, the “protestors” waited a discreet 4 or five minutes before following us in as far as the outer hallway where a dozen police halted their progress. So of course, they began chanting again.
Having stripped off the cardboard placards, what they now carried were 4 foot long 2 inch by 1 inch wide wooden sticks. They used these, in unison, to hammer on the floor in tempo with a chant of:
“MRA’s telling lies! We wont fall for your disguise!! Boom boom boom.” Those without wooden clubs kicked doors and lockers, matching those hammering the floor with wooden clubs, and shouting: “We wont fall for your disguise!”, while wearing bandanas and black balaclavas.
I could not make this up.
“We have clubs and crazy eyes! A scene right out of Lord of the Flies!” That’s my rhyme, they didn’t chant it. But it would have fit.
I walked into the middle of this mob and stood, waiting for whatever was next. Those who got right into my face, I asked, “What if you’re wrong?” This just made them shout their rhyme about lies and disguises louder, while wearing their disguises. Nobody struck me or struck anyone else with a club, although after this bit of drama several other MHRAs suggested I had put myself in unnecessary danger. I reserve my disagreement. However, considering this display of attempted intimidation, imagine the same event occurring without multiple camera equipped men’s human rights activists to guarantee public accountability of whatever transpired.
If you’re reading this, mainstream feminists, it’s incumbent upon you to decry people who do things like this. Not just to cry NAFALT, to say they’re wrong whether they claim to be feminists or not. I keep hearing feminists say that they’re actually on the same side as MRAs, that they care about men’s issues, yet when people point things like this out to them, their first priority is clearly defending feminism. Please, please don’t be one of those sorts.
What I think this shows, unquestionably, is that for all some feminists claim that MRAs don’t know what feminists are while they know exactly what MRAs are, many feminists are entirely unable to actually engage with MRAs in a meaningful and productive way.
And a reporter’s live blogging, provided by Canadian-Liberal, with vidya;
And more video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0PtYi1TqZc (NSFW audio, and by God the fact that she was reading straight from that piece of crap Lindy West article made me literally “FFFF-“. Does anyone notice the hypocrisy of repeatedly telling your “allies” to shut up so you can “mansplain” at them why they should stop criticizing you?)
From the comments, a man after my Orwell-referencing heart;
“FOUR LEGS G-O-O-O-D! TWO LEGS B-A-A-A-D! Let’s have a rational discussion about legs. FOUR LEGS G-O-O-O-D! TWO LEGS B-A-A-A-D! What is so bad about those with two legs? FOUR LEGS G-O-O-O-D! TWO LEGS B-A-A-A-D! Aren’t you interested in resolving our differences? FOUR LEGS G-O-O-O-D! TWO LEGS B-A-A-A-D!”
At least they weren’t actually violent.
Some of my previous posts on these protests, in no particular order;